How much of BIB did Bon write before he died?

[Peter Alerich]

It's pretty obvious that most (if not all) of BIB has Bon's imprint on
it. Is there any background info available on this? I mean, let's be
realistic - look how quickly things happened in that time frame...
Bon's death, Brian replaces him and boom! into the studio we go.
That's not counting the fact that when you look at BIB lyrically
against all the albums that followed.... something does not add up.

Peter

email - alerichatbellsouthdotnet

[W ä l r ü s]

I had always heard that Bon wrote (or at least had a hand in) 7 of the
songs. If I were to guess, they would be the following:

Shoot To Thrill
What Do You Do For Money Honey
Given The Dog A Bone
Let Me Put My Love Into You
You Shook Me All Night Long
Have A Drink On Me.
Shake A Leg

The other 3 songs, (Hells Bells, Back In Black & Rock & Roll), are more
Brian's style & sound like they should be on the "For Those About To Rock"
album instead. These 7 songs, by name & lyrically, sound like they have
Bon Scott written all over them. I don't mean by Brian "keeping true to
the style Bon had", I really think Bon wrote these.

Also, there are these questions:

1). Back In Black is included to the Bonfire boxset - Why?

2). I have an old audio clip from a radio station announcing Bon Scott's
death & it says ACDC was in the studio at the time working on the new
forthcoming album. You don't waste expensive studio time "writing", you
pay for "recording", correct?

My opinions only based on the two clues, because only God knows what was in
store for the late, great Bon Scott with AC/DC, before his untimely death.

"Ride On"
Wälrüs

Post by Peter Alerich
It's pretty obvious that most (if not all) of BIB has Bon's imprint on
it. Is there any background info available on this? I mean, let's be
realistic - look how quickly things happened in that time frame...
Bon's death, Brian replaces him and boom! into the studio we go.
That's not counting the fact that when you look at BIB lyrically
against all the albums that followed.... something does not add up.
Peter
email - alerichatbellsouthdotnet

[badlands420]

Post by W ä l r ü s
I had always heard that Bon wrote (or at least had a hand in) 7 of the
songs.

Where did you "always" hear that?

Post by W ä l r ü s
1). Back In Black is included to the Bonfire boxset - Why?

$$$

Post by W ä l r ü s
2). I have an old audio clip from a radio station announcing Bon Scott's
death & it says ACDC was in the studio at the time working on the new
forthcoming album. You don't waste expensive studio time "writing", you
pay for "recording", correct?

Ang and Mal were working out new riffs and laying down demos, and were a
couple weeks away from needing Bon. That's they way they've always done it
and continue to do it to this day.

Post by W ä l r ü s
My opinions only based on the two clues,

Well, don't go changing your name to Sherlock Holmes any time soon.

[W ä l r ü s]

Like I said, my "opinions" only. Take it at face value. "No one" knows
for sure.

Post by badlands420

Post by W ä l r ü s
I had always heard that Bon wrote (or at least had a hand in) 7 of the
songs.

Where did you "always" hear that?

Post by W ä l r ü s
1). Back In Black is included to the Bonfire boxset - Why?

$$$

Post by W ä l r ü s
2). I have an old audio clip from a radio station announcing Bon Scott's
death & it says ACDC was in the studio at the time working on the new
forthcoming album. You don't waste expensive studio time "writing", you
pay for "recording", correct?

Ang and Mal were working out new riffs and laying down demos, and were a
couple weeks away from needing Bon. That's they way they've always done it
and continue to do it to this day.

Post by W ä l r ü s
My opinions only based on the two clues,

Well, don't go changing your name to Sherlock Holmes any time soon.

[badlands420]

Post by W ä l r ü s
Like I said, my "opinions" only. Take it at face value. "No one" knows
for sure.

You said you've always heard that and I'm wondering where or from whom. If
one is merely expressing an opinion, it's usually prefaced with "I think"
rather than "I've always heard."

[W ä l r ü s]

It's a little of both.

I read a book in the early 90's that stated there were 7 songs written with
Bon Scott for the un-named album. Could have been an "unauthorized" book.
I had to do a book report for English & I got it at the library. This was
around 1990-91. No idea of it's name. That is where I "heard" about some
of this.

The rest was just my thoughts, based off the book, things read on the
internet & logical instances that could go either way, Brian's vs Bon's.

Didn't mean to stir up anything, disrespect the experts, tarnish the truth
or start up another Beatles "Paul is dead" rumor. I was just posting what
I had read, heard & guessed. No debates from me & no further replies, just
wanted to answer someone's initial question.

Wälrüs

I was guessing

Post by badlands420

Post by W ä l r ü s
Like I said, my "opinions" only. Take it at face value. "No one" knows
for sure.

You said you've always heard that and I'm wondering where or from whom. If
one is merely expressing an opinion, it's usually prefaced with "I think"
rather than "I've always heard."

[St. Igor the Sleepless]

Post by W ä l r ü s
Like I said, my "opinions" only. Take it at face value. "No one" knows
for sure.

Eh ... while we're at the bashing. Umlauts are funny, when the band
Trojan put umlauts over thier name, Tröjan, they were suprised they
were suddenly the laughing stock of Sweden. "Tröjan" meaning sweater
in Swedish. Not that good if you want to be a hardcore metal band.
Mötorhead got away with it, but only just. Mötley Crüe sounds plain
silly ...

[Rikard]

Ok, let's take this again ... this really feels like a wind-up!

Bon might have had his finger in some of the early arrangements and some of
the song titles and riffs had certainly been around for years but as titles
and loose riffs only. The title "What You Do For Money Honey" is accredited
to George Young around '78, if I remember correctly.

They were NOT in a "recording" studio, Angus and Malcolm were kicking around
riffs in a rehearsal studio in London (EasyHire). Bon joined in on drums on
some of theses sessions and an early instrumental only version of "Let Me
Put my Love Into You" was allegedly played. No lyrics were penned at these
sessions, the infamous notebook with lyrics that a roadie claims he got from
Bon's apartment after Bon's death is yet to surface but personally I think
that that is a legend, a "ghost" if you will. Either way all, and I mean
ALL, people who were around Bon at the time say the same thing, he was
getting ready but nothing had been written specifically for a new album.

And as for the lyrical analysis I hand that over to Anders (trekkie) as I
want his two cents on this as well. Let me say this much: your theory won't
hold up.

Back In Black was included in the Bonfire boxset because BIB was made in
Bon's memory and the Bonfire box was made as a tribute, simple chronology
and AC/DC history.

These are all known facts and I believe them to be accurate at large as many
different sources, both within and outside the DC camp, have stated the same
over the years.

I guessing this debate is not over though ...

Post by W ä l r ü s
I had always heard that Bon wrote (or at least had a hand in) 7 of the
Shoot To Thrill
What Do You Do For Money Honey
Given The Dog A Bone
Let Me Put My Love Into You
You Shook Me All Night Long
Have A Drink On Me.
Shake A Leg
The other 3 songs, (Hells Bells, Back In Black & Rock & Roll), are more
Brian's style & sound like they should be on the "For Those About To Rock"
album instead. These 7 songs, by name & lyrically, sound like they have
Bon Scott written all over them. I don't mean by Brian "keeping true to
the style Bon had", I really think Bon wrote these.
1). Back In Black is included to the Bonfire boxset - Why?
2). I have an old audio clip from a radio station announcing Bon Scott's
death & it says ACDC was in the studio at the time working on the new
forthcoming album. You don't waste expensive studio time "writing", you
pay for "recording", correct?
My opinions only based on the two clues, because only God knows what was in
store for the late, great Bon Scott with AC/DC, before his untimely death.
"Ride On"
Wälrüs

Post by Peter Alerich
It's pretty obvious that most (if not all) of BIB has Bon's imprint on
it. Is there any background info available on this? I mean, let's be
realistic - look how quickly things happened in that time frame...
Bon's death, Brian replaces him and boom! into the studio we go.
That's not counting the fact that when you look at BIB lyrically
against all the albums that followed.... something does not add up.
Peter
email - alerichatbellsouthdotnet

[Dave]

Post by Rikard
They were NOT in a "recording" studio, Angus and Malcolm were kicking

around riffs in a rehearsal studio in London (EasyHire). Bon joined in on
drums on some of theses sessions and an early instrumental only version of
"Let Me Put my Love Into You" was allegedly played. No lyrics were penned at
these sessions,

You don't think Bon would have been thinking of ideas for lyrics as a result
of these sessions??

Post by Rikard
the infamous notebook with lyrics that a roadie claims he got from Bon's

apartment after Bon's death is yet to surface but personally I think that
that is a legend, a "ghost" if you will.

So you don't believe Bon had a notebook full of lyrics?? Bon never wrote
his ideas down?? Representatives of DC's management wuzn't in Bon's
appartment shortly after his death??

Post by Rikard
Either way all, and I mean ALL, people who were around Bon at the time say

the same thing, he was getting ready but nothing had been written
specifically for a new album.

If no one from the DC camp had really seen much of Bon the last month
leading up to his death except for the occasional jam sessions as you have
outlined above...how would anyone know what the hell Bon wuz up to or be
able comment on what he wuzn't up to (ie-writing lyrical ideas)??

Post by Rikard
Back In Black was included in the Bonfire boxset because BIB was made in

Bon's memory and the Bonfire box was made as a tribute, simple chronology
and AC/DC history.

That all sounds nice...but there's also the reasoning of boosting album
sales and giving Brian a slice of the pie from the release.

Post by Rikard
These are all known facts and I believe them to be accurate at large as

many different sources, both within and outside the DC camp, have stated the
same over the years.

God forbid there be margin for error in the DC camp.

Dave - Toronto

[badlands420]

Post by Dave
That all sounds nice...but there's also the reasoning of boosting album
sales and giving Brian a slice of the pie from the release.

If they wanted to boost album sales, there would've been a big sticker on
that fucker that said "THE DEAD GUY WROTE THE LYRICS." If Bon wrote the
lyrics, the LAST thing they'd want to do is keep it a secret. It would've
been the perfect marketing angle. You tend to think Mal is a conniving
little money-grubber, but in order for your Bon-lyric conspiracy theory to
be correct, he would have had to act in a manner totally contrary to his
character by keeping it a secret instead of exploiting it financially.

[Dave]

Post by badlands420

Post by Dave
That all sounds nice...but there's also the reasoning of boosting album

sales and giving Brian a slice of the pie from the release.

Post by badlands420
If they wanted to boost album sales, there would've been a big sticker on

that fucker that said "THE DEAD GUY WROTE THE LYRICS."

I wuz referring to why Back In Black wuz included in Bonfire.

Post by badlands420
You tend to think Mal is a conniving little money-grubber,

He is a conniving little money-grubber (not that there's anything wrong with
that).

Post by badlands420
but in order for your Bon-lyric conspiracy theory to be correct, he would

have had to act in a manner totally contrary to his character by keeping it
a secret instead of exploiting it financially.

Why split the songwriting royalties 4 ways when you can split in 3??

Don't be getting your nickers in a bunch over this dude. I'm not saying
that I think Bon wrote entire songs that were used word for word on what
would become BIB. I'm just saying that I do believe that some of his ideas
were used in what Bon had already figured would fit into songs he had
already heard. A line here..a line there...possably the beginning verse of
a song for which to build upon. Brian did in fact write a majority of the
lyrics..but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if there were lyrics
used that Bon had penned for what he figured fit with the music he'd heard
previously.

Dave - Toronto

[§4900]

Post by Dave
Don't be getting your nickers in a bunch over this dude. I'm not saying
that I think Bon wrote entire songs that were used word for word on what
would become BIB. I'm just saying that I do believe that some of his ideas
were used in what Bon had already figured would fit into songs he had
already heard. A line here..a line there...possably the beginning verse of
a song for which to build upon.

One of the Young boys said Bon sat down and worked on the opening drum part
of LMPMLITY before he died. If his work product was used, is this enough
input to get points towards BIB? Probably not.

I doubt Bon's lyrics were used. If they were, his heirs would be entitled
to points from the album. If that were the case now, I am sure that
contract/business arrangement would have made its way to the public.

However, it is possible that the midgets incorporated some of Bon's ideas.
How could anyone prove it was Bon's work product if he was dead? Maybe
someone if they had his lyric book; but that myth has yet to be demonstrated
by Ian Jeffrey.




Brian did in fact write a majority of the

Post by Dave
lyrics..but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if there were lyrics
used that Bon had penned for what he figured fit with the music he'd heard
previously.
Dave - Toronto

[Martin]

Here is a quote from an Angus Young interview conducted by Paul Elliott in
Kerrang No. 354 (august 17, 1991), pages 25-26.

Question: Who wrote the lyrics on that song (Given the Dog a Bone) and the
others on "Back in Black"? Bon, or Brian, or both?

Answer: "Bon wrote a little of the stuff. A week before he died we started
writing the music with Bon on drums. He was a drummer originally. He`d bang
away while me and Malcolm worked out the riffs. The whole "Back in Black"
album was our dedication to Bon. Thats why the album cover was pure black,
and why the album starts with a bell ringing, something sombre and different
to anything else we`d done. To get that tone, to get that frequency, we had
a bell cast to order. As a person, Bon stared death in the face a lot. The
way he said it was "One day you gotta go, you gotta be a stiff". "After Bon
died we auditioned singers, they`d say "How am I supposed to sing over all
this volume? We said "We don`t want you to sing - we want you to scream!". I
don`t call Brian a singer. He sounds like somebody dropped a truck on his
foot" Its emotion, like on those old blues records. The grammar in blues
music is fantastic........"

BTW I have read in another interview - around the release of Bonfire - that
the band considered including demo version of Bon playing drums on early
instrumental of Let my put my love into you and another song from BIB which
I can`t remember but the band decided not to release these versions because
they felt it would be a bit like graverobbing.....

Greeting from Denmark (bring on Brianfire and open those vaults!!!)
Martin

Post by Dave

Post by badlands420

Post by Dave
That all sounds nice...but there's also the reasoning of boosting album

sales and giving Brian a slice of the pie from the release.

Post by badlands420
If they wanted to boost album sales, there would've been a big sticker on

that fucker that said "THE DEAD GUY WROTE THE LYRICS."
I wuz referring to why Back In Black wuz included in Bonfire.

Post by badlands420
You tend to think Mal is a conniving little money-grubber,

He is a conniving little money-grubber (not that there's anything wrong with
that).

Post by badlands420
but in order for your Bon-lyric conspiracy theory to be correct, he would

have had to act in a manner totally contrary to his character by keeping it
a secret instead of exploiting it financially.
Why split the songwriting royalties 4 ways when you can split in 3??
Don't be getting your nickers in a bunch over this dude. I'm not saying
that I think Bon wrote entire songs that were used word for word on what
would become BIB. I'm just saying that I do believe that some of his ideas
were used in what Bon had already figured would fit into songs he had
already heard. A line here..a line there...possably the beginning verse of
a song for which to build upon. Brian did in fact write a majority of the
lyrics..but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if there were lyrics
used that Bon had penned for what he figured fit with the music he'd heard
previously.
Dave - Toronto

[badlands420]

Post by Dave
Why split the songwriting royalties 4 ways when you can split in 3??

If Bon had a notebook full of lyrics for songs that were already written,
why would there be a need to split it in four? Brian wouldn't get a
songwriting credit for singing Bon's lyrics, just as he doesn't for singing
Mal's.

Post by Dave
Don't be getting your nickers in a bunch over this dude.

Didn't know I was.

Post by Dave
I'm not saying
that I think Bon wrote entire songs that were used word for word on what
would become BIB. I'm just saying that I do believe that some of his ideas
were used in what Bon had already figured would fit into songs he had
already heard.

Perhaps, but that doesn't make him a composer of any of the material. If I
give you an idea for a song and you and two other guys write words and music
based directly thereon, I didn't compose a damn thing.

Post by Dave
A line here..a line there...possably the beginning verse of
a song for which to build upon. Brian did in fact write a majority of the
lyrics..but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if there were lyrics
used that Bon had penned for what he figured fit with the music he'd heard
previously.

Well, you obviously have a much more liberal definition of what a
songwriting credit should entail than I do.

[Dave]

Post by badlands420

A line here..a line there...possably the beginning verse of a song for

which to build upon. Brian did in fact write a majority of the lyrics..but
it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if there were lyrics used that Bon
had penned for what he figured fit with the music he'd heard previously.

Post by badlands420
Well, you obviously have a much more liberal definition of what a

songwriting credit should entail than I do.

I'll admit it's a very grey area. My whole point wuz that I believe there
may have been lyrics used (note I am not saying complete songs..but lyrics
as small parts of songs....whether it be an song title or a few lines within
a few songs). As to actual songwriting credit...it's a very grey area
(although not the first time that a credit of some sort has been brought
into question regarding an AC/DC album).

Dave - Toronto

[Rikard]

As I said, I knew this debate was far from over. This was a classic post to
stir our resident conspiracy theorists ...

Post by Rikard
They were NOT in a "recording" studio, Angus and Malcolm were kicking
around riffs in a rehearsal studio in London (EasyHire). Bon joined in on
drums on some of theses sessions and an early instrumental only version of
"Let Me Put my Love Into You" was allegedly played. No lyrics were penned at
these sessions,

Post by Dave
You don't think Bon would have been thinking of ideas for lyrics as a result
of these sessions??

Very likely yes. He was getting ready and he probably scribbled down more
than a few notes. Most likely is that Mal and Angus already had working
titles for some crude song arrangements and they were given to Bon to spin
off on but I believe that no lyrics that went on Back In Black even as
partials were penned by Bon as a result of these sessions.

On another note:

The stylistic lyrical similarities between HTH and BIB must (IMO) be
accredited to Mutt Lange more than Bon. Compared to Powerage ( some of Bon's
best lyrics IMO) HTH is simplistic in extremis. If you listen to the Highway
To Hell the verse is schoolbook Mutt Lange tempo phrasing, he wanted Brian
to use the same phrasing on YSMANL but was overruled. From Powerage to HTH
the lyrics went form being well versed narrative to simplistic cliché, still
with more than a touch of Bon but simplistic nevertheless. Just compare the
Volts versions to the HTH versions, they're different songs all together!
Mutt was more into rearranging and putting his own touch to it than George
and Harry ever were. Mutt has made a formula of this over the years, which
has led to that Bryan Adams, Def Leppard and Shania Twain albums, for a
long time, more or less sounded the same. I can elaborate more on this if
someone is interested but it requires a new thread ...

Post by Rikard
the infamous notebook with lyrics that a roadie claims he got from Bon's
apartment after Bon's death is yet to surface but personally I think that
that is a legend, a "ghost" if you will.

Post by Dave
his ideas down?? Representatives of DC's management wuzn't in Bon's
appartment shortly after his death??

Of course Bon had a notebooks, what I'm saying is that this particular
notebook, the one allegedly taken by Ian Jeffery containing 15 full lyrical
sheets, is a load of BS (IMO).

I will elaborate and speculate some on this though. The stolen notebook may
be real but may have fook'all to do with AC/DC. It's known that Bon was
seriously entertaining the thought of a solo album (Bonfire) and that he
probably had a lot of lyrics that didn't fit the DC format. Some info even
suggests that he didn't even bother to show some ideas to the Young's, which
is plausible as it happens in every band. Some song just don't fit the
format or you just want to keep them for yourself cause they're your babies.

But until that notebook is made public it's a BS story, no more no less.

Post by Rikard
Either way all, and I mean ALL, people who were around Bon at the time say
the same thing, he was getting ready but nothing had been written
specifically for a new album.

Post by Dave
If no one from the DC camp had really seen much of Bon the last month
leading up to his death except for the occasional jam sessions as you have
outlined above...how would anyone know what the hell Bon wuz up to or be
able comment on what he wuzn't up to (ie-writing lyrical ideas)??

Where from have you gotten the notion that Bon was all by his lonesome
during the month preceding his death? AC/DC toured up until the 27th of
January, Angus and Ellen got married and DC made an impromptu gig at the
reception , they taped two playback performances on TOTP and the Aplauso
show in Spain, he entertained two relationships with Anna (Baba) and Silver
Smith, hung out and recorded with Trust, sat in on the jam sessions with
Angus and Malcolm, met other friends ... he was not even close to being
alone. A lot of people have commented on Bon's frame of mind those last days
and they don't differ much.

I'll rephrase some Ok? Bon was always scribbling down lyrical ideas, short
phrases and spin offs on titles, titles that were more than often pegged by
either Malcolm, Angus or even George. But he was just getting ready on
penning for real on a "new album". As for the lyrical process, from what we
know. Bon didn't start on a whole song until the music was more or less
finished, which it wasn't at that point. This is something that didn't
change until Mal took over the whole process for TRE.

Post by Rikard
Back In Black was included in the Bonfire boxset because BIB was made in
Bon's memory and the Bonfire box was made as a tribute, simple chronology
and AC/DC history.

Post by Dave
That all sounds nice...but there's also the reasoning of boosting album
sales and giving Brian a slice of the pie from the release.

What Badlands said ...

Post by Rikard
These are all known facts and I believe them to be accurate at large as
many different sources, both within and outside the DC camp, have stated the
same over the years.

Post by Dave
God forbid there be margin for error in the DC camp.

I'll end this installment with this quote from Silver Smith:

"There was a lot of weird shit after he died. The flat (Bon's) was closed
off, and that's probably the sort of thing that would send people off on
conspiracy theories, because it suggests there's something to hide, and
there's nothing to hide".

[davidceltic]

Post by Rikard
Ok, let's take this again ... this really feels like a wind-up!
Bon might have had his finger in some of the early arrangements and some of
the song titles and riffs had certainly been around for years but as titles
and loose riffs only. The title "What You Do For Money Honey" is accredited
to George Young around '78, if I remember correctly.
They were NOT in a "recording" studio, Angus and Malcolm were kicking around
riffs in a rehearsal studio in London (EasyHire). Bon joined in on drums on
some of theses sessions and an early instrumental only version of "Let Me
Put my Love Into You" was allegedly played. No lyrics were penned at these
sessions, the infamous notebook with lyrics that a roadie claims he got from
Bon's apartment after Bon's death is yet to surface but personally I think
that that is a legend, a "ghost" if you will. Either way all, and I mean
ALL, people who were around Bon at the time say the same thing, he was
getting ready but nothing had been written specifically for a new album.
And as for the lyrical analysis I hand that over to Anders (trekkie) as I
want his two cents on this as well. Let me say this much: your theory won't
hold up.
Back In Black was included in the Bonfire boxset because BIB was made in
Bon's memory and the Bonfire box was made as a tribute, simple chronology
and AC/DC history.
These are all known facts and I believe them to be accurate at large as many
different sources, both within and outside the DC camp, have stated the same
over the years.
I guessing this debate is not over though ...

i would love to believe all this but something sticks in my throat and
doesnt add up............dont ask me what but theres something
there!
firstly all real ac/dc fans want to believe everything that comes out
of the bands mouths...why would they lie?
now if brian did write all the lyrics did he do so after he joined the
band or was he already sitting on some of the lyrics. not that it
matters, but if he did write all the lyrics after joining he done some
job in a few weeks.
i read a metallica interview in the mid 80s and a few of them said
that they'd heard bon sing on some demos of some of the BIB
songs..........maybe LMPMLIY if that was wrote in 78.......beats me
why metallica would lie. seemingly just lying in atlantic studios
somewhere. but then again if ac/dc and mal and ang in particular was
lying about the whole episode you would think that they wouldnt leave
any clues lying about. so i guess this little story will just run
and run.........a bit like did man really land on the moon?

hail hail..............davidceltic

[Jgbintbass]

Post by davidceltic
i read a metallica interview in the mid 80s and a few of them said
that they'd heard bon sing on some demos of some of the BIB
songs..........maybe LMPMLIY if that was wrote in 78.......beats me
why metallica would lie. seemingly just lying in atlantic studios
somewhere. but then again if ac/dc and mal and ang in particular was
lying about the whole episode you would think that they wouldnt leave
any clues lying about. so i guess this little story will just run
and run.........a bit like did man really land on the moon?

You'd actually trust Metallica in an interview? :-) Just because they heard
something doesn't make it really official since if they did find the stuff in a
studio, wouldn't they make a copy or something for themselves? Did they
mention the differences between the songs they alleged heard and the songs on
the finished Back in Black?
There's Gonna Be Some Rockin'...

[trekkie]

"davidceltic" <

Post by davidceltic
firstly all real ac/dc fans want to believe everything that comes out
of the bands mouths...why would they lie?
i read a metallica interview in the mid 80s and a few of them said
that they'd heard bon sing on some demos of some of the BIB
songs.......beats me
why metallica would lie.

OK - What you say is that it's stupid to believe what AC/DC say, but wise to
believe Metallica. Exactly when did Metallica get to be the most reliable
source in the world?

[St. Igor the Sleepless]

Post by trekkie
"davidceltic" <

Post by davidceltic
firstly all real ac/dc fans want to believe everything that comes out
of the bands mouths...why would they lie?
i read a metallica interview in the mid 80s and a few of them said
that they'd heard bon sing on some demos of some of the BIB
songs.......beats me
why metallica would lie.

OK - What you say is that it's stupid to believe what AC/DC say, but wise to
believe Metallica. Exactly when did Metallica get to be the most reliable
source in the world?

To my knowledge Metallica is one of the least trustworthy bands in
history, they said/say fooken anything to get headlines. Kirk and
James have admitted that they blagged more than often when getting
bored doing interviews ...

[trekkie]

"Rikard" <

Post by Rikard
And as for the lyrical analysis I hand that over to Anders (trekkie) as I
want his two cents on this as well. Let me say this much: your theory won't
hold up.

Thanks for the confidence in my ability to analyze lyrics! I'm not going to
make a deconstructivistic view on BiB's lyrics, but rather just say (as I've
done many times before) that : 1. The lyrics on BiB are acording to the
mixer Tony Platt, written by Johnson, Lange and M. Young together. For
three normally intelligent people to penn ten standard rock lyrics in a
couple of months is not really an achivement of Herculian proportions. In
fact Bon wrote all the lyrics for DDDDC in about the same time, and nobody
believes that that album's lyrics are in reality Dave Evans' work. 2. There
is nothing in the lyrics on BiB that makes those lyrics more Bonish than any
other Brian lyrics. Everybody who says that is a victim of wishful thinking.
In fact, if any other Brian album had been the first, everybody would have
claimed that that albums lyrics were so Bon-ish. Actually had BUYV been the
first Brian album, I had been far mor inclined to believe that Bon had his
hand in the writing of the lyrics than what I am when it comes to BiB. 3.
Don't feed the conspirational theorists :-) 4. Even if Bon really did coin
the phrase R 'n R ain't Noise Pollution (which those who chose to believe
Bon's girlfriend rather than Mal believe he did), that's just a line not a
complete set of lyrics. 5. Now over to Jaques Derrida!

[St. Igor the Sleepless]

Post by trekkie
"Rikard" <

Post by Rikard
And as for the lyrical analysis I hand that over to Anders (trekkie) as I
want his two cents on this as well. Let me say this much: your theory

won't

Post by Rikard
hold up.

Thanks for the confidence in my ability to analyze lyrics! I'm not going to
make a deconstructivistic view on BiB's lyrics, but rather just say (as I've
done many times before) that : 1. The lyrics on BiB are acording to the
mixer Tony Platt, written by Johnson, Lange and M. Young together. For
three normally intelligent people to penn ten standard rock lyrics in a
couple of months is not really an achivement of Herculian proportions. In
fact Bon wrote all the lyrics for DDDDC in about the same time, and nobody
believes that that album's lyrics are in reality Dave Evans' work. 2. There
is nothing in the lyrics on BiB that makes those lyrics more Bonish than any
other Brian lyrics. Everybody who says that is a victim of wishful thinking.
In fact, if any other Brian album had been the first, everybody would have
claimed that that albums lyrics were so Bon-ish. Actually had BUYV been the
first Brian album, I had been far mor inclined to believe that Bon had his
hand in the writing of the lyrics than what I am when it comes to BiB. 3.
Don't feed the conspirational theorists :-) 4. Even if Bon really did coin
the phrase R 'n R ain't Noise Pollution (which those who chose to believe
Bon's girlfriend rather than Mal believe he did), that's just a line not a
complete set of lyrics. 5. Now over to Jaques Derrida!

Well said, couldn't have said it better myself ... I'll skip the Derrida though :)

[the Riffmaker®]

Let's clear one thing out once and for all...Bon did NOT write anything that
appeared on the Back In Black album...but according to one of Bon's female
friends he had wrote down the phrase "Rock And Roll Ain't Noise Pollution"
in his notebook...but that's all!!!

Johan

[Maneatingcow]

On Sat, 01 May 2004 12:23:04 -0400, Peter Alerich
<***@ringnorth.com> wrote:


I can assure you I wrote none of the songs that ended up on Back in
Black

Sincerely,

The Ghost of Bon Scott

Post by Peter Alerich
It's pretty obvious that most (if not all) of BIB has Bon's imprint on
it. Is there any background info available on this? I mean, let's be
realistic - look how quickly things happened in that time frame...
Bon's death, Brian replaces him and boom! into the studio we go.
That's not counting the fact that when you look at BIB lyrically
against all the albums that followed.... something does not add up.
Peter
email - alerichatbellsouthdotnet

[Tony Volk]

What's pretty obvious is your theory is moronic. Bon states in the LTBR
movie that he has practically nothing to do with writing the music, and
Brian has said that he wrote the lyrics. A song title or a phrase *might*
have come from Bon. But that's it. You're right in that BIB doesn't match
the quality of say, BUYV, but that hardly makes your point! Other than
that, Rikard has done a good job of posting the other related points.
Cheers,

Tony

Post by Peter Alerich
It's pretty obvious that most (if not all) of BIB has Bon's imprint on
it. Is there any background info available on this? I mean, let's be
realistic - look how quickly things happened in that time frame...
Bon's death, Brian replaces him and boom! into the studio we go.
That's not counting the fact that when you look at BIB lyrically
against all the albums that followed.... something does not add up.
Peter
email - alerichatbellsouthdotnet

[Stef]

The thing I remember most is that Angus and Malcolm were busy putting the
songs together (only the music) as Bon walked in. They said they would be
ready for him to start writing lyrics in a week orso.

Come to think of it, I think it was said in an interview by either Mal or
Ang, because I also remember one of them saying 'he just got his teeth
fixed'. and a few dayz later he died.

Does anybody remember this interview?

Post by Peter Alerich
It's pretty obvious that most (if not all) of BIB has Bon's imprint on
it. Is there any background info available on this? I mean, let's be
realistic - look how quickly things happened in that time frame...
Bon's death, Brian replaces him and boom! into the studio we go.
That's not counting the fact that when you look at BIB lyrically
against all the albums that followed.... something does not add up.
Peter
email - alerichatbellsouthdotnet

[Gavin]

yep, spot on.

Post by Stef
The thing I remember most is that Angus and Malcolm were busy putting the
songs together (only the music) as Bon walked in. They said they would be
ready for him to start writing lyrics in a week orso.
Come to think of it, I think it was said in an interview by either Mal or
Ang, because I also remember one of them saying 'he just got his teeth
fixed'. and a few dayz later he died.
Does anybody remember this interview?

Post by Peter Alerich
It's pretty obvious that most (if not all) of BIB has Bon's imprint on
it. Is there any background info available on this? I mean, let's be
realistic - look how quickly things happened in that time frame...
Bon's death, Brian replaces him and boom! into the studio we go.
That's not counting the fact that when you look at BIB lyrically
against all the albums that followed.... something does not add up.
Peter
email - alerichatbellsouthdotnet

[Jgbintbass]

Post by Stef
The thing I remember most is that Angus and Malcolm were busy putting the
songs together (only the music) as Bon walked in. They said they would be
ready for him to start writing lyrics in a week orso.

Let's not forget the Bon Scott interviews that are toward the end of either
Volts or the 2-CD Let There Be Rock movie.
There's Gonna Be Some Rockin'...

[: \)]

--->It's pretty obvious that most (if not all) of BIB has Bon's imprint
on it. Is there any background info available on this? I mean, let's be
realistic - look how quickly things happened in that time frame... Bon's
death, Brian replaces him and boom! into the studio we go. That's not
counting the fact that when you look at BIB lyrically against all the
albums that followed<---

No no no...Peter Clack & Colin Burgess wrote BIB.

--->something does not add up.<---

Well, you'd have to ask that "certain" cab diver in Australia about
that....

Alcohol or heroin?





"The main thing about it is to give rock music a real kick
in the gut, ya know?" - Bon Scott

[Ear e]

Get your BIB CD out and see who gets the credit for writing the Lyrics
...